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Tren And Deca

Post by todlichdosis50 on Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:32 am

i understand that test needs to be run with a cycle and i understand how it works as its naturally produced in your body.

but what exactly is tren and deca? if they are derivatives of test, then how do they work any different?

ive read on this site that you should never mix tren and deca but i dont know exactly why.

finally what are the deciding factors to consider in choosing either tren or deca to run in a cycle?

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Re: Tren And Deca

Post by *N.V.S* on Mon Nov 21, 2016 5:31 am

Tren and Deca are a derivative of Nandrolone, not test.

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Re: Tren And Deca

Post by todlichdosis50 on Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:14 am

ok, well whats that and so on...
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Re: Tren And Deca

Post by todlichdosis50 on Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:14 am

does any one know how they work to build muscle? maybe visions?
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Re: Tren And Deca

Post by gustavo77 on Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:53 am

Bro, almost every steroid is a derivative of testosterone but that does not mean they act like testosterone in the body...a simple google search came up with the following from Wikapedia:

"Nandrolone is an anabolic steroid occurring naturally in the human body, albeit in small quantities. Nandrolone is most commonly sold commercially as its decanoate ester (Deca-Durabolin) and less commonly as a phenylpropionate ester (Durabolin).

Nandrolone binds to the androgen receptor to a greater degree than testosterone, but due to its inability to act on the muscle in ways unmediated by the receptor, has less overall effect on muscle growth. The drug is also unusual in that unlike most anabolic steroids, it is not broken down into the more reactive DHT by the enzyme 5α-reductase, but rather into a less effective product known as Dihydronandrolone. As such, some of the negative effects associated with most such drugs are somewhat mitigated.

The positive effects of the drug include muscle growth, appetite stimulation and increased red blood cell production and bone density. Clinical studies have shown it to be effective in treating anaemia, osteoporosis and some forms of neoplasia including breast cancer, and also acts as a progestin-based contraceptive. For these reasons[citation needed], in the United States nandrolone received FDA approval in 1983, and while sale in the U.S. is now restricted by the Controlled Substances Act, nandrolone remains available by prescription in most countries which have not adopted American-style "War on Drugs" anti-steroid campaigns. In addition to legal production, Nandrolone is also extensively used by bodybuilders and other athletes seeking an edge in professional competition.

Because nandrolone is not broken down into DHT, the deleterious effects common to most anabolic steroids on the scalp, skin, and prostate are lessened to a degree. The lack of alkylation on the 17α-carbon drastically reduces the drug's liver toxicity. Estrogenic effects resulting from reaction with aromatase are also mitigated as a result of the drug being a progestin, but effects such as gynaecomastia and reduced libido still occur in larger doses. Other side-effects can include erectile dysfunction (coined as "Deca Dick") and cardiovascular damage, as well as several ailments resulting from the drug's effect of lowering levels of luteinizing hormone through negative feedback."

Trenbolone:

"Trenbolone is a steroid used by veterinarians on livestock to increase muscle growth and appetite. To increase its effective half-life, trenbolone is not used in an unrefined form, but is rather administered as trenbolone acetate (Finaplix Gold from Valopharm USA, TREMBLONA QV75 from Quality Vet, Mexico), Trenbolone enanthate or Trenbolone cyclohexylmethylcarbonate (Parabolan from Laboratoires NEGMA until 1997). Plasma lipases then remove the ester in the bloodstream leaving the trenbolone base.

No trenbolone compounds have been approved by the FDA for human use,[1] due to a lack of clinical applications and some potential negative side-effects.[2] It is classified as a Schedule III drug under the Controlled Substances Act. However, bodybuilders have been known to use the drug illicitly in order to increase body mass more effectively than by weight training alone. A normal bodybuilding dosage can range from 200 mg/week up to 1400 mg/week. Due to the relatively short metabolic half-life of trenbolone acetate, dosages should commonly be split into injections at least once every two days. Trenbolone enanthate can be injected once a week.

The 2006 book Game of Shadows alleges that baseball superstar Barry Bonds used this drug in 2001, when he set the current single-season home run record.

Trenbolone acetate is often referred to as "Fina" by illicit users, because injectible trenbolone acetate is often prepared from Finaplix H pellets, an ear-implant used by cattle ranchers to maintain the weight of cattle during shipping to slaughter.

Trenbolone compounds have a binding affinity for the androgen receptor three times as high as that of testosterone.[citation needed] Once metabolised, the drugs have the effect of increasing nitrogen uptake by muscles, leading to an increase in the rate of protein synthesis. It also has the secondary effects of stimulating appetite, reducing the amount of fat being deposited in the body, and decreasing the rate of catabolism. Trenbolone has proven popular with anabolic steroid users as it is not metabolised by aromatase or 5α-reductase into estrogenic compounds such as estradiol, or into DHT. This means that it also does not cause any water retention normally associated with highly androgenic steroidal compounds like testosterone or methandrostenolone. It is also loved by many for the dramatic strength increases commonly experienced with it.

Short-term side effects include insomnia, high blood pressure, increased aggression, night sweats, and libido. However, since women will suffer virilization effects even at small doses, this drug should not be taken by a female. Urban wisdom/myth in bodybuilding culture, states that the use of the drug over extended periods of time can lead to kidney damage. The kidney toxicity has not yet been proven, and scientific evidence supporting the idea is suspiciously absent from the bodybuilding community that perpetuates this idea. The origin of this myth most likely has to do with the rust colored oxidized metabolites of trenbolone which are excreted in urine and often mistaken for blood. After Schänzer (Clin Chem 1996; 42(7): 1001-1020, Metabolism of anabolic androgenic steroids) trenbolone and 17epi-trenbolone are both excreted (in urine) as conjugates that can be hydrolyzed with beta-glucuronidase. This implies that trenbolone leaves the body as beta-glucuronides or sulfates, that means mostly non metabolized."


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Re: Tren And Deca

Post by todlichdosis50 on Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:42 am

Trenbolone has proven popular with anabolic steroid users as it is not metabolised by aromatase or 5α-reductase into estrogenic compounds such as estradiol, or into DHT

why then do we take preemptive measures to escape PIG?
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Re: Tren And Deca

Post by Dr. Steroids on Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:13 am

We take proactive measures to prevent PIG b/c it does cause gyno contrary to what a book may tell you. Just like many books state that certain drugs do not aromatize and thats not true either. If you listened to what books tell ya you would think that running winny will keep you from getting PIG but just ask certain ppl who tried that method and you'll find that works only in theory also.

You dont stack drugs together just because there strong. Certain drugs work well synergistically and compliment each other. Deca and Tren dont serve that purpose.


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Re: Tren And Deca

Post by El Mucho on Mon Nov 21, 2016 10:56 am

Nandrolones (Tren + Deca) fall into the category of progestins. They don't hit the estrogen receptors but they hit the progesterone receptors instead. Estrogen will give you gynecomastia ("gyno", "bitch tits") by hitting the estrogen receptors in the breast, mostly the nipple area, causing a sort of mini-boob to grow on the ends of your pecs. PIG (prolactin induced gyno) happens when the progesterone receptors are stimulated to cause your body to produce/increase prolactin which causes your breasts to start producing milk.

Not only that, while estrogenic compounds can make you feel tired, progestins can make you feel downright dead. Prolactin is released into a woman's body after giving birth. It not only causes lactation but it mentally turns the person into a mother. It causes the nesting syndrome in a way. Somebody asked whether using Oxytocin would have any benefits on another thread. Oxytocin and Prolactin are very similar and are released into a woman's body at the same time, and I doubt either of them have any anabolic properties.

The other common reason that some people, mostly beginners, choose to go with Deca or Tren is because they think that they won't cause hairloss because they don't convert into DHT. With Deca you might be able to get away with keeping more hair, but that isn't the case with Tren. Tren is five times as strong as Testosterone and that amount of androgens in your body will peel the hair off your head regardless of the fact that the actual Tren doesn't convert into DHT. Also, Nandrolone is deactivated when it hits the 5-alph-reductase enzyme which causes hairloss. Drugs like Propecia (finasterid) or Advodart (dutasteride) attach to the 5a-reductase enzyme to prevent hairloss. So if you're using either of these hairloss drugs while using a Nandrolone, then the Nandrolone goes directly to the scalp to cause hairloss because it was unable to deactivate by hitting the blocked 5a reductase enzyme. So using Propecia with Deca can cause way more hairloss than just using Testosterone.

Overall, Testosterone is the best all around steroid there is. It's the easiest to fight off side effects, it has a positive effect on your libido and sense of well being, it burns fat, it increases the size and even the number of muscle cells, and it's usually the cheapest. I can't think of any other steroid that has as many positive attributes as plain old Testosterone does. -Sorry for typing an entire essay
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Re: Tren And Deca

Post by Al-Mann on Mon Nov 21, 2016 11:40 am

Great post like usual El Mucho. Interesting, easy to read and understand!!!
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Re: Tren And Deca

Post by Tikaelkcin on Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:29 pm

Do I get some sort of diploma now? I feel like I could write a book on Nandrolones!


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