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Test/Tbol Cycle

Post by thehulk3791 on Tue Jun 07, 2016 3:12 am

Yeah just a real basic cycle...so here is my cyle log:

day 1: I had 1ml of andropen and only 20mgof tbol today even though I am realy taking 50 a day (but I started at around 8:00pm so....)

yeah thats about it for this day not much went on but was real happy about my gear comming in.

so tomarrow it will be 50mg/day of tbol.

I will only be updating my cycle log every week or so...(Lazyness)


well one more time here is my cycle:

weeks 1-10 andrpopen275@550mg/week
weeks 1-5 tbol@50mg/day

PCT:
week 12-13 clomid 150mg/day
weeks 13-14 clomid 100mg/day
weeks 14-15 50mg/day
weeks 12-15 20-40mg/day of nolva.dont realy think I need the nolva but o well (extra reasuance)

thats it in a nut shell.


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Re: Test/Tbol Cycle

Post by TANK828 on Tue Jun 07, 2016 3:57 am

What's Up Hulk I Was Just Wondering You Don't Need Any Nolva Or Clomid OR HGC During Your Cycle I Know People Vary And Everyone Don't Respond The Same Way


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Re: Test/Tbol Cycle

Post by thehulk3791 on Tue Jun 07, 2016 4:29 am

TANK828 wrote:What's Up Hulk I Was Just Wondering You Don't Need Any Nolva Or Clomid During Your Cycle I Know People Vary And Everyone Don't Respond The Same Way

that made no sense what so ever...or I just dont understand the question...


the nolva avd clomid is for my PCT brother not during the cyle..

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Re: Test/Tbol Cycle

Post by TANK828 on Tue Jun 07, 2016 5:10 am

I Have Read That During The Cycle Hgc Or Something Is Used To Ease The Chance Or A Hard Crash I Was Just Wondering Do Everyone Should Take This Precaution That's All


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Post by NTG on Tue Jun 07, 2016 5:47 am

TANK828 wrote:I Have Read That During The Cycle Hgc Or Something Is Used To Ease The Chance Or A Hard Crash I Was Just Wondering Do Everyone Should Take This Precaution That's All

The part about HCG explains what youre asking fairly well. Hope it helps.
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How to KEEP GAINS from steroids


This info I have gleaned from self research, trial and error, from my endochrinologist, from SWALE and from training hundreds of clients over the years.

This is a longish post but many of you will greatly benefit from reading it so try to bare with my "blathering"

First of all I would like to stress that I and my endochrinologist do not believe one can keep gains above ones natural max, or that level of muscular developement that can be held to without steroids. In other words, I think one will always shrink down to the size that can be held to with ones own T production.

In reality what usually happens is that many(not all) steroid users fall BELOW their natural max within months of discontinuing steroids for one or all of the following reasons......poor HPTA recovery and or lack of knowledge in regard to what makes up proper steroid free training.

If HPTA recovery is not fairly rapid and complete then obviously one risks dropping BELOW ones natural max in time. If one does not know how to train effectively without steroids then one will rapidly overtrain and drop below natural max in time, not to mention the strong possibilty of injury which also will hinder gainskeeping.

You can, however, makes gains well above your natural max while on steroids and then with prudent use of ancillaries, and proper natural training, hold to your natural max well into ones 50's and perhaps early 60's.

As an estimate of natural max.......the average guy of average height( 5"9 or 10" and with average bone structure and genetically typical recuperative abilities (vast majority of men) can usually get to a lean 190-195 with a bench of 275-300, full squat of 375-400 and a deadlift of about 500 pounds without steroids.


ANCILLARIES....HCG


Dare I say that HCG use is more important than SERMS(nolva or clomid) for good hpta recovery after a LONG cycle( 12 weeks or longer)
Personally I would use hcg during any cycle 8 weeks or longer...and if you are really paranoid and want the absolute most rapid hpta recovery then use it during any cycle for next to zero testicular shrinkage.

Now you will recover hpta without hcg, and fairly quickly if you truly have not suffered from much testicular atrophy, but not as rapidly as you could and that will cost you at least some gains.

HCG, human chorionic gonadotropin, is a hormone taken from placentas during pregnancy. It limics the action of LH from the pituitary and stimualtes testosterone production in the testes.

It is important to the male bodybuilder in that proper use of this hormone PREVENTS testicular atrophy caused by HPTA shut down from steroid use.

If the testes are shut down they will shrink, it's as simple as that. The degree of shrinkage depends upon the length of time "on" androgens. Some guys literally see their testes atrophy down to raisen size..NO ****. Others see modest shrinkage and a few say they see NO shrinkage. In the latter this is BS and has to due with poor pre-cycle assessmant of testicular size....after all how many of us sit down before a cycle and really feel the true size of our balls.


NOTE: all steroids will shut you down 100% and at a very low dose, and that includes Primo and anavar for you sceptics. As little as 100mg a weekof testosterone administered exogenously in the form of injections will shut you down in as little as a few weeks.

HPTA RECOVERY

The hormones that drive the HPT axis(LH and GnRH) recover full potential quite quickly post cycle. The hypothalamus rapidly senses a low androgen level and pumps out GnRH and this tells the pituitary to release LH for testicular stimulation of T production......trouble is if the nuts are small they simply cannot respond well to this stimulation. The testes take a fair amount of time to "get going" after a long sleep and as a result T levels post cycle can be low for months(if greatly atrophied). This obviously results in a rapid loss of gains, not to mention phycological isssues such as depression as well as physical issues like fatigue.

* SO it is important for "optimal" gainskeeping to try to begin HPTA recovery with full or nearly full sized testes.

HOW TO USE HCG

It is best to prevent testicular atrophy in the first place rather than trying to bringing the boys back to size after they have already atrophied.
With this in mind prudent use of hcg is DURING a cycle.

HCG can be taken either IM or sub Q in the fat and yes you can mix it with your oils.

Take it at 500iu's every 3rd or 4th day while on cycle.


Some use it post cycle at higher doses after their testes have already shrunk. This method works but I do not believe that it is the best way to use HCG. In this method one injects a high dose of hcg right near the end ofa cycle but before clomid. The opening dose is often 3000iu's followed sometimes by another 3000 4 days latter and then 1500iu's every 4th or 5th day and then the last shot is usually only 1000iu's....total time three weeks.
No use taking clomid or nolav with the HCG since HCG will supress the hpta all by itself via the testosterone production it stimulates.

WARNING.....if you use hcg at a high dose for too long you might desensitize the testes to LH so don't get carried away with it.



SERMS clomid and nolva

After any cycle a SERM should be used, either clomid or nolva.

SERMS help to "kickstart" a sleepy hpyothalmic GnRH response.

GnRH is pretty quick to recover but SERMS help the hypothalamus to "turn the key" on the GnRH impulse generating engine.

SERMS block the affect of estrogen at the hypothalamus and since estrogen is highly inhibitory this blocking affect allows for greater LH production. This "greater LH production" strongly stimulates the testes to produce testosterone.
If you use only gear that does NOT aromatize to estrogen then you don't have to worry about the inhibitory affect of estrogen post cycle(from the steroid)...but SERMs should still be used to counter the inhibitory affect of the estrogen seen form the T production(from the hcg use).....and also from the estrogen production from the aromatization of the T production form your testes after the hcg is stopped.

*Even if you never used HCG you should still use a SERM after a cycle with non aromatizing gear to counter the inhibitory effect of normal estrogen production(from the aromatization of T from your improving T production)

You have to wait until exogenous androgen levels drop to a similar level of what a normal T production would be, in order for this LH stimulating affect from SERMS to work, since androgens are also highly inhibitory on the hypothalamus.

So you must have to have a good grasp on the half lifes of the various gear you use. You also have to be aware of the how the dose taken factors into the equation. ie: test cyp has a half life of around 6 days so with this in mind 500mg of test cyp will reduce to 250 mg in a week and about 125 in another week. That 125mg is about 100mg of pure testosterone(minus ester weight) and you can now begin SERM therapy because that level is near what a normal T output would be(slightly higher though)

NOTE: There is no penalty for starting a SERM too early but there is one for starting too late.

Search for half lifes of other gear in other threads on the boards.

On opening "SERM day", post cycle, you want to do a "loading dose" of about 200-300mg of clomid in divided doses in order to get blood levels up pronto. Then take 50-100mg/day for a week and then 50mg/day for 3 more weeks MINIMUM... and longer after deca use.
Alternatively you can use nolva at 80mg on day one in divided dose and then 40mg /day for a week and then 20mg/day for at least 3 more weeks.
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Re: Test/Tbol Cycle

Post by TANK828 on Tue Jun 07, 2016 6:30 am

That's All I Was Wondering I Did'nt Mean Any Disrespect By My Question Only Inquiring About The Precautions I've Read


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Post by thehulk3791 on Tue Jun 07, 2016 7:25 am

TANK828 wrote:That's All I Was Wondering I Did'nt Mean Any Disrespect By My Question Only Inquiring About The Precautions I've Read

NO NO NO ..I didnt take it as disrespect myfreind..I was confused about the question.

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Re: Test/Tbol Cycle

Post by Rulez on Tue Jun 07, 2016 8:21 am

I had to back my Tbol intake down to 40mg....pumps got too crazy haha. I had to take like a 2 minute break b/t sets cause i thought my muscles were gonna explode. Some say thats good but the shit is borderline painful. I absolutly love tbol though. I will most definatly use it again. Hope you have the same good results bro.
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Post by TANK828 on Tue Jun 07, 2016 9:15 am

Rulez wrote:I had to back my Tbol intake down to 40mg....pumps got too crazy haha. I had to take like a 2 minute break b/t sets cause i thought my muscles were gonna explode. Some say thats good but the shit is borderline painful. I absolutly love tbol though. I will most definatly use it again. Hope you have the same good results bro.

COME ON RULEZ YOU KNOW NO PAIN NO GAIN I KNOW THE FEELING .LIKE IT'S GOING TO POP


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Re: Test/Tbol Cycle

Post by TANK828 on Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:05 am

thehulk3791 wrote:NO NO NO ..I didnt take it as disrespect myfreind..I was confused about the question.

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YEA CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO MAKE YOU ANGRY I DON'T WANT YOU BUSTING DOWN MY DOOR OR CRUSHING CARS OVER HERE TALKING ABOUT "HULK ANGRY" "HULK CRUSH TANK" DRIPPING THAT GREEN JUICE ALL OVER THE PLACE DISTURBING MY NEIGHBORS


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Post by Rulez on Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:24 am

TANK828 wrote:COME ON RULEZ YOU KNOW NO PAIN NO GAIN  Smile I KNOW THE FEELING .LIKE IT'S GOING TO POP          

When it prevents me from training its an issue. But i know what you mean. You hate to love that feeling haha.
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Re: Test/Tbol Cycle

Post by TANK828 on Tue Jun 07, 2016 12:17 pm

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Post by thehulk3791 on Tue Jun 07, 2016 12:54 pm

TANK828 wrote:YEA CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO MAKE YOU ANGRY I DON'T WANT YOU BUSTING DOWN MY DOOR OR CRUSHING CARS OVER HERE TALKING ABOUT "HULK ANGRY" "HULK CRUSH TANK" DRIPPING THAT GREEN JUICE ALL OVER THE PLACE DISTURBING MY NEIGHBORS

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..LMFAO...ROFL...lol.......

that is funny-just like in the movie when he throws the tank.

Damn rulez u make those pumps sound great!...when do they start to show?

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Post by Rulez on Tue Jun 07, 2016 1:56 pm

thehulk3791 wrote:Damn rulez u make those pumps sound great!...when do they start to show?

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I felt them early on but after a week it got intense.
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Post by thehulk3791 on Tue Jun 07, 2016 2:56 pm

Well today is like day 4 tomarrow I do another andropen shot...

oh yeah my bi's and tri's day falls on the 6th day of using tbol and that is when I here that the pumps start to show...so I cant wait to see!!!

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Post by Rulez on Tue Jun 07, 2016 3:43 pm

thehulk3791 wrote:Well today is like day 4 tomarrow I do another andropen shot...

oh yeah my bi's and tri's day falls on the 6th day of using tbol and that is when I here that the pumps start to show...so I cant wait to see!!!

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Start out with Precher Curls and feel the pump off that hahaha.
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Post by NTG on Tue Jun 07, 2016 4:19 pm

Rulez wrote:Start out with Precher Curls and feel the pump off that hahaha.

Start out with a drop set(any lift) on bicep day and you'll be pumped the entire workout
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Post by Rulez on Tue Jun 07, 2016 5:06 pm

NTG wrote:Start out with a drop set(any lift) on bicep day and you'll be pumped the entire workout
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Yeah..i basically pyramid up and down for 5 sets on preacher curls and after the last set my arms have doubled in size. I love it.
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Post by thehulk3791 on Tue Jun 07, 2016 5:51 pm

Shit when I shot earliar the needle moved around alittle...kinda hurt!

sux I got legs tonight!!!!

o well its day 5 and I am starting to feel pumped though out the day (alittle) could be a placebo effect....

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Post by TANK828 on Tue Jun 07, 2016 6:42 pm

I Think That's One Of The Things That Make It Hurt For A While After The Injection


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Post by thehulk3791 on Wed Jun 08, 2016 4:22 am

TANK828 wrote:I Think That's One Of The Things That Make It Hurt For A While After The Injection

Well I feel fine today...injection site not sore at all...just sore from legs!


aside from that my arm workout today was INSANE!!!! 6th day on tbol at 50mg/day and the PUMPS are amazing...felt like my arms were going to explode!

things can only get better from here.

oh yeah I been home from the gym for an hour and I am still alittle pumped....


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Post by Rulez on Wed Jun 08, 2016 5:03 am

thehulk3791 wrote:aside from that my arm workout today was INSANE!!!! 6th day on tbol at 50mg/day and the PUMPS are amazing...felt like my arms were going to explode!

Hahahaha....told ya. Tbol is the shit.
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Post by NTG on Wed Jun 08, 2016 5:47 am

Rulez wrote:Hahahaha....told ya. Tbol is the shit.

ahh the pump virgin popped his cherry lol Congrats bro!
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Post by thehulk3791 on Wed Jun 08, 2016 6:24 am

ok on to my second week....loving the tbol just cant wait till 3 more weeks go by!!!! I love test........


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Post by thehulk3791 on Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:01 am

I decided I will order some tren depot so I can do 200mg/week of tren for 10 weeks once I get it....also I will get more test to go along with it....might turn out to be a 15 week cycle....

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