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Maverick9

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Proviron VS Arimidex

Post by Maverick9 on Fri May 06, 2016 3:12 am

Could some1 tell me the major differences between these two. From what I understand, they both stop estrogen from forming and help with bloat. So why is proviron used only on cycle but adex can be used for PCT?
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Re: Proviron VS Arimidex

Post by PeeWeed on Fri May 06, 2016 3:45 am

one reason might be is that proviron (mesterolone) is actually anabolic and somewhat androgenic....it is classified as a steroid but used as an antiestrogen during a cycle.. by preventing or slowing the conversion or steroids into estrogen...this COULD BE one of the reseasons a person might not want to use it pct....
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Re: Proviron VS Arimidex

Post by Maverick9 on Fri May 06, 2016 4:57 am

Oh thanks for that info Jdawg. Im assuming that is the reason people say taking proviron gives them a harder look?
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Re: Proviron VS Arimidex

Post by PeeWeed on Fri May 06, 2016 5:55 am

like i said bro,,it MIGHT be,,i only went from what lil reading ive dun.. i would wait for a more edjucated awnser,,after reading ur post again,,i probably shouldnt have awnsered it...my apologie's.....i would suggest asking visions, he knows alot about pct....
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Re: Proviron VS Arimidex

Post by gustavo77 on Fri May 06, 2016 6:36 am

Proviron does not stop the conversion of test to estrogen it merely competes with estrogen to bond at the receptor site (and usually wins), thus decreasing estrogen related sides. The thing is that there is no concrete evidence to determine whether proviron is or is not suppressive in regards to endogenous testosterone production...so using it for pct is risky, as it may keep you shut down or negatively effect your recovery. Arimidex on the other hand is an aromataze inhibitor which means it does block the conversion of test to estrogen. It can be used during pct but there are better A.I.'s to use for pct, specifically aromasin. Aromasin can increase natural test production by up to 60%, arimidex i believe will increase test by 40%.


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Re: Proviron VS Arimidex

Post by El Mucho on Fri May 06, 2016 7:20 am

Proviron is basically oral Dihydrotestosterone. It is almost entirely androgenic and very mildly anabolic. DHT and estrogen are opposites to eachother in their effects on the body. DHT will make you lean, estrogen will make you fat. They both compete for the same receptor cells and DHT tends to slightly over power estrogen in this battle. So Proviron is an androgenic steroid in itself, and I don't recommend using a steroid to help yourself get off of steroids. I would recommend it over any other AI's or Serms during a cycle because it would not only block estrogen but it could even add a little more anabolism to the mix. Just beware of hairloss and possible prostate problems because Proviron can increase those problems. I'm already struggling with my hairline and that's the only reason that I won't use it.

Arimidex (Anastrozole), Aromasin (Exemestane), and Femara (Letrozole) will actually stop or slow down the body's conversion of testosterone into estrogen. They block or even destroy the aromatase enzymes in the body that cause testosterone to convert into estrogen. That can increase the amount of testosterone that your body produces as well as increase the amount of free testosterone in your body because almost none of the testosterone is converted into estrogen. I actually believe that using both finasteride (blocks DHT) and an AI can increase your free testosterone greatly due to almost zero conversion into estrogen or DHT, but that's just my theory.

Nolvadex and Clomid block estrogen by acting like an estrogen. So the Nolvadex or Clomid fills the receptor sites so that the estrogen cannot. Nolvadex and Clomid aren't nearly as strong as an AI because they do not stop estrogen from forming, but they are much safer on the body. With Nolv or Clo you still have estrogen in your body but it is not causing the physical effects. Estrogen is very important for your immune system and healthy cholesterol levels. Nolvadex is reported to decrease your levels of IGF-1 and that is the only reason why I don't normally recommend it. I do recommend it for longer cycles (16 weeks or more) because it is much healthier for the body than to have almost zero estrogen for several months out of the year. Because I would rather live longer with slightly smaller gains than to be a giant muscular dead guy. Clomid is great for PCT but it has some small side effects like changing your mood a little.
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Re: Proviron VS Arimidex

Post by Maverick9 on Fri May 06, 2016 8:11 am

Thanks for the awesome information guys, helping me out a lot. 1 more question; For PCT should adex/arom be taken with clomid or should the clomid be replaced with nolva?
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Re: Proviron VS Arimidex

Post by barnzy001 on Fri May 06, 2016 8:42 am

clomid and aromasin for 3-4 wks of pct
clomid wk1 150 mg ed aromasin 20 mg ed
wk2 100 mg ed 20 mg ed
wk3 50 mg ed 20 mg ed
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Re: Proviron VS Arimidex

Post by swoledaddy on Fri May 06, 2016 9:26 am

Proviron is less efficiant at draining water and preventing gyno. Both are inhibbitors but Proviron is still considered a steroid in stature. If your not sensitive to estogen conversion go w/ proviron it amps up your test cycle while keeping you on the harder and leaner side. Alot lighter on the pockets too.
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Re: Proviron VS Arimidex

Post by Visions on Fri May 06, 2016 10:19 am

El Mucho wrote:Proviron is basically oral Dihydrotestosterone. It is almost entirely androgenic and very mildly anabolic. DHT and estrogen are opposites to eachother in their effects on the body. DHT will make you lean, estrogen will make you fat. They both compete for the same receptor cells and DHT tends to slightly over power estrogen in this battle. So Proviron is an androgenic steroid in itself, and I don't recommend using a steroid to help yourself get off of steroids. I would recommend it over any other AI's or Serms during a cycle because it would not only block estrogen but it could even add a little more anabolism to the mix. Just beware of hairloss and possible prostate problems because Proviron can increase those problems. I'm already struggling with my hairline and that's the only reason that I won't use it.

Arimidex (Anastrozole), Aromasin (Exemestane), and Femara (Letrozole) will actually stop or slow down the body's conversion of testosterone into estrogen. They block or even destroy the aromatase enzymes in the body that cause testosterone to convert into estrogen. That can increase the amount of testosterone that your body produces as well as increase the amount of free testosterone in your body because almost none of the testosterone is converted into estrogen. I actually believe that using both finasteride (blocks DHT) and an AI can increase your free testosterone greatly due to almost zero conversion into estrogen or DHT, but that's just my theory.

Nolvadex and Clomid block estrogen by acting like an estrogen. So the Nolvadex or Clomid fills the receptor sites so that the estrogen cannot. Nolvadex and Clomid aren't nearly as strong as an AI because they do not stop estrogen from forming, but they are much safer on the body. With Nolv or Clo you still have estrogen in your body but it is not causing the physical effects. Estrogen is very important for your immune system and healthy cholesterol levels. Nolvadex is reported to decrease your levels of IGF-1 and that is the only reason why I don't normally recommend it. I do recommend it for longer cycles (16 weeks or more) because it is much healthier for the body than to have almost zero estrogen for several months out of the year. Because I would rather live longer with slightly smaller gains than to be a giant muscular dead guy. Clomid is great for PCT but it has some small side effects like changing your mood a little.

I have to disagree with you on the last part about having almost zero estrogens... A cycle with 500mg of test is 5 times higher of a dose of what a Dr starts you on for TRT... 100mg of test ew will put you in the normal range... So to that,` how high do you think estrogens are on 500mg of test?... Now take for example the use of any AI's are done on people with normal Test levels and for Aromasin , 25mg lowers estrogens between 40-62%,,, keep in mind this % is for normal levels of test... A 500mg Test cycle is 5 times higher then average normal... Now that 25mg of Aromasin will be lucky to put estrogens in the normal range... The problem is more complicated but this puts things in perspective


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